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BFN is right, by the way. Back when I started in PL I watched about 20 ovd's/mixes before I even got picked. First time I got picked I had to play SL, and I totally fucked up and everyone hated me for about another 10 mixes. When I finally got captain, I played my primary class and picked good players to play with me. After 1-2 ovd's I was getting squad offers and started getting a lot of attention - its really all it takes. | Holy Fuck Flair agreed with me god damn you know it has to be true when Flair agrees with me.
Adding to what flair said, these are some things you can do to improve your reputation and to improve your abilities in general.
What you need to do:
Don't grow an early ego or no one will like you
Learn the basics of each class that you intend on playing
Get the right buy, sell, drop macros that suit your classes
Ask people for advice and opinions(DO NOT ASK NOOBS FOR ADVICE)
Be willing to learn
Ability to cooperate with others is probably #1
Have Ventrilo Link: http://www.ventrilo.com
Do not type/say racism
Learn the difference between Carapace and CMP6
When you are ready to prove yourself:
Don't be a pussy and get capt of OvD about once every 4 OvDs
Play your best class
Pick the better players you see in spec
Get to know people on a minor level
Don't grow an early ego
Cooperation and Awareness
Things that tick the better players off:
Picking noobs
Picking your friends who are noobs
Not draining with sg/eb
Not using your reps/rep charge
Not listening
Soloing
Constantly taking OvD captain
OvDs and Mixes are not about getting most kills or least deaths, it is about successfully working as a team to defend/flag a base, KEEP THAT IN MIND.
It is a good idea to ask your first pick who else you should pick.
To the sidetracked newb players, whether you just want to be picked for ovd/mixes or want to compete in CTFPL, there is no need to immediately join any squad that will accept you. Take the time to learn and improve before you look for a squad and in return a squad will look for you. When I joined PL i sat in spec watching ovd/mixes until I got better.
When people ask you to play a class that you suck at playing, it may be better just to say no and not play, as Zmn had said before, "no attention is better than bad attention".
GOOD PLAYERS THAT YOU SHOULD PICK FIRST:
Flair (Murder City Devil)
Goliath
Pant
Dro (Price Tag)
Croix de Guerre
Got Tsolvy?
Orby (Les Savy Fav)
Big Fat Noob
Dinobot
Fantasia
Iron Monkey
Mushaboom
Sov
Structure
Blastbark NOT Blastspark
District
Silly Wanker
Angel (Zmn)
Carnillion
I would hope that all the players I put on this list will help you pick a good team and that most of them are players you can ask for good advice.
Sorry if I didn't name you, I may have missed your alias going down rosters, if you feel offended go cry in a fucking corner, if you really want your name on this list give me a pm.
Finally, like reality, some of the players in CTFPL are assholes and will talk shit to you and call you names. You have the option to go cry in a corner, talk back, but ALWAYS REMEMBER that you can simply ignore them which is the better option... that is until you are on a top ranked squad and become better than that player, then you exact your revenge and talk shit to him after you wreck him in 5 straight OvDs
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I personally don't mind what so ever playing with A newer player. If Off is like Dino, BFN, Dis, Jer and a new player. I don't mind. I actually enjoy when newer players participate in ovds. V K + Taeks are perfect examples, if either of them is online when we ovd, Dino or I will have them sl.
Playing with an entirely newbie offense is the most frustrating experience in an ovd and will make you want to stop playing for the rest of the night. |
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posted on oct 14th 2009, 9:49 pm |
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The only O Dist will play with is Jerr, Dist, New Player, Farmville, Apricot Tree |
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posted on oct 14th 2009, 10:23 pm |
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I know how you feel though. When Duxx puts in GB, Rage, and Fuzor I break out from the anxiety of having to carry.
But really though. It's about the captains. If the newbie O captain picks a couple friends and a couple vets, the vet D captain will still pick up 4 other vet players. It really doesn't have to be a frustrating experience if captains can be willing to balance the sides, but I think that OVD captains are too enamored with winning. |
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posted on oct 14th 2009, 10:27 pm |
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posted on oct 14th 2009, 10:29 pm |
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I don't have fun doing the best I can and being held back by 3 fucking idiots chasing the ng around a box. Sorry. |
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posted on oct 14th 2009, 10:43 pm |
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dist never picks me because im so bad :( no love. |
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posted on oct 14th 2009, 11:47 pm |
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Dilatory aka taeks is new? =O |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 12:35 am |
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Dist stop throwin my goddamn name around what the fuck. And I'm tired of ghost picking for you while you go smoke you fuckin bignose find someone else to do that shit punkass mufucka LAMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 12:43 am |
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I would like to point out most of my, "Charity" picks turned out to be fairly decent PL players. My newest one will be Distrikt. Your time will come! |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 12:44 am |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 12:47 am |
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Flair, the amount of times I've had to carry your shit jt.... Just wow. Charity pick? More like I'm that nigger doing all the work while you spam ar like your nac.
Sit the fuck down, shit farmville farmer. |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 7:37 am |
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But really though. It's about the captains. If the newbie O captain picks a couple friends and a couple vets, the vet D captain will still pick up 4 other vet players. It really doesn't have to be a frustrating experience if captains can be willing to balance the sides, but I think that OVD captains are too enamored with winning. | I think your misunderstanding all of what an OvD stands for and most people that take captain during OvDs don't care that much about winning, and more about just having fun with friends and squad members.
When you play OvD your suppose to learn for the 15 minutes (if it lasts that long). During the OvD i bet most newbies don't consider the following:
-Teammates energy
-Focus FIring
-Repping for other teammates
-Armor of opponents, AND your own teammates
-How many of your teammates and opponents are alive
-How to never have some of your weapons be loading
-It takes a person 10 seconds to respawn, and 1 second to hit a buy macro and ask for summon/warp after death, therefore after an opponent dies you have 11 seconds before they come back.
and these are just the basics that most experienced players themselves don't even hold a firm grasp of.
There is only one way for newbies and vets to get better and that's through experience. To gain good experience a newbie with 4 vets on an OvD team would be imo the best way to learn.
This goes out to all newbies, when a tier 1 player tells you that you should be doing this or shouldn't be doing that, they are not telling you that you are bad, they are telling you HOW TO IMPROVE.
You know if your bad and we know how you can improve. |
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I personally don't mind what so ever playing with A newer player. If Off is like Dino, BFN, Dis, Jer and a new player. I don't mind. I actually enjoy when newer players participate in ovds. V K + Taeks are perfect examples, if either of them is online when we ovd, Dino or I will have them sl. | What a load of BS rofllllllllll. The best thing for new players is to join a new squad with someone thats actually going to put the time in to help them improve, most of the people that wrote in this thread are such hyporcrites its disgusting. |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 11:08 am |
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Agree with everything Joe said, but isn't Outlaw an older player?
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This goes out to all newbies, when a tier 1 player tells you that you should be doing this or shouldn't be doing that, they are not telling you that you are bad, they are telling you HOW TO IMPROVE. | Not fuckin true at all. I can't count how many stupid "tier 1" players I've had to deal with: Gero, Mad, etc.. |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 11:20 am |
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wow nbc, i actually agree with you. last time distrikt tried to "help" people he hopped to ck, bfn gets flaming mad whenever he loses an ovd and joe types to much. dino however is usually pretty good with the newbies. |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 11:29 am |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 11:43 am |
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If you guys want to help noobs I'm pretty sure RR wanted to do this a season or two ago and have Player mentors dedicated to helping newer players feel comfortable and gain knowledge in PL. I don't know how many "new" squads are going to be around next season but I think this is a good idea.
Newer players arent going to gain knowledge quickly playing in OVDS with like 2 noobs and 8 vets playing i'm sorry. They should be playing people that arent going to stomp there ass in 3 seconds and start learning from there.
If you VET's really wanted to start getting PL more competitive you guys should actaully ask newer players if they would like some help and not bitch at them that they arent sging enough in the middle of a 15 minute ovd. |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 11:59 am |
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pretty sure that was Alberts idea |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 12:13 pm |
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Look I play pub alot and getting new people into the league is all well and good, but here's the real problem the people playing in pub are god awful retards for the majority of them, I mean seriously the class of people in pub now there's not one person I would recruit who is isn't already on a CTFPL roster. This is coming from someone who basically founded a squad 2 seasons ago with newbies. |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 12:54 pm |
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I would like to point out most of my, "Charity" picks turned out to be fairly decent PL players. | I would like to point out that I road the 'charity pick' bus that flair was driving for probably 2-3 weeks in ovds before people actually considered me a viable alternative to w/e faded vets showed up to ovds.
Flair is kind of a fag but the dude does help newbie players out. |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 12:59 pm |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 1:15 pm |
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The only ppl that helped me in OvD on this page was Dino and Flair |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 1:16 pm |
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Look I play pub alot and getting new people into the league is all well and good, but here's the real problem the people playing in pub are god awful retards for the majority of them, I mean seriously the class of people in pub now there's not one person I would recruit who is isn't already on a CTFPL roster. This is coming from someone who basically founded a squad 2 seasons ago with newbies. | I have to agree for the most part. There are a few people that would do well on most tier 2 squads left that play pubs that are unsquaded. Whether they want to play or are reliable is another question. I wouldn't mind teaching anyone in pub how to improve but for most part they don't care or don't listen.
If we could actually have ovds back in pubs (aka prizing shit) putting mostly new players vs other new players might make them focus more on flagging and learning rather than getting a super cool pub ratio. Maybe it's just a pipe dream that amounts to nothing...
Getting into pl ovds is just a pain in the ass and deters a lot of players. Most of the new players are really just freeinfantry players that converted over. Once that well has dried up as people get bored of playing, the league faces a slow and inevitable death much like freeinf did. |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 1:30 pm |
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If you want to become a better player, you have to take initiative. I think if some random 'vet' approached some 'pubstar' and was like, "hey here are some tips to be better", the pubstar would be like "rofl im pubstar, stfu i know what im doing" if you're seeking self improvement, people are generally receptive. but asking the wrong people for help isn't going to help you much.
it helps if you're a new player that wants to get better to have a resource of where you can get help because who knows who you're supposed to ask? you're new to the community, how do you know who is going to help you and who is just going to ignore you?
also while ovd's help, ive found that 1on1 time is most beneficial. it's difficult to go over stuff while playing in an ovd because you're playing in an ovd. if you have 1on1 time you can learn positioning and all sorts of stuff that is relevant to what you're trying to learn. ideally, have 1on1 time, then apply what you've learned in an ovd and have the person you were learning from spec you so they can give you input on what you need to work on. this works best on vent in real time, but you can do an after action review too if vent is not viable.
List of people I've asked in no particular order about positions or that have helped me in general be it 1:1 or in a squad practice or a dialogue.
Medic
-GT - for pretty much everything
-Orby - misc
-Joe - misc
SL
-Amok - for how to lay mines well-ish
-Dino - he does have SL specific macros when he plays OHVY in OVD that I think are helpful for SLs that don't notice the kill log.
-Term - setups
-Jerrett - setups
JT
-Hans - lmfao, I had a brief conversation with him about his JT setup, but I do remember it occuring.
Infantry
-Wolven - for PB rg and the shotgun load trick among other things
-Distrikt - o inf positioning
-Silly/sor/dav/orby/redemption class of s15 - d inf general information
Heavy
-Joe/rr/orby/whirl - d/o hvy setups mostly dhvy specific, some basic pointers
I think thats mostly it. I asked Flair for help, but he said because I wasn't enrolled in the Impound school of infantry he wouldn't teach me. But then he left and I joined, and I haven't asked since. |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 1:56 pm, edited 2 times |
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OvD is not about getting most kills or least deaths, it is about successfully defending/flagging a base, KEEP THAT IN MIND.
^ Structure once went 12-40 and we still won on d. |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 3:03 pm |
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a newbie shall never fear, when he is allied with the spear LMFAOOOOOOoooo |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 3:35 pm |
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Hi i'm new and I'm an alcoholic |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 3:51 pm |
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Not Albert's idea. I sent a message to the Admins about creating a Player Mentor Team back in.. when ctfpl.goblin1 was still in operation.
It's frustrating to me that all my ref/event/other applications have gone ignored. |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 4:36 pm |
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The best thing for new players is to join a new squad with someone thats actually going to put the time in to help them improve, most of the people that wrote in this thread are such hyporcrites its disgusting. | Yea if your new don't be like this newby.
NBC refuses to listen and learn from anyone, therefore he hasn't improved since the day he started. |
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posted on oct 15th 2009, 4:59 pm |
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What do you know BFN eat my ass hairs you useless pos. |
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